Comments on: The Liberal Green Challenge http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/08/07/the-liberal-green-challenge/ Liberalism and general burblings Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:50:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Liberal Democrat Voice » Top of the Blogs: The Golden Dozen #25 http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/08/07/the-liberal-green-challenge/#comment-12653 Liberal Democrat Voice » Top of the Blogs: The Golden Dozen #25 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:35:23 +0000 http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/08/07/the-liberal-green-challenge/#comment-12653 [...] The Liberal Green Challenge on Tristan Mill’s Liberty Alone Blog Tristan finds a distinctive voice on how liberals should [...] [...] The Liberal Green Challenge on Tristan Mill’s Liberty Alone Blog Tristan finds a distinctive voice on how liberals should [...]

]]> By: Joe Otten http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/08/07/the-liberal-green-challenge/#comment-12448 Joe Otten Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:40:15 +0000 http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/08/07/the-liberal-green-challenge/#comment-12448 Manual trackback http://joeotten.blogspot.com/2007/08/towards-liberal-environmentalism.html Interested in your comments, Tristan. Manual trackback

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Interested in your comments, Tristan.

]]> By: tristan http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/08/07/the-liberal-green-challenge/#comment-12443 tristan Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:15:05 +0000 http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/08/07/the-liberal-green-challenge/#comment-12443 The future individuals is an interesting dilemma. Somehow we do need to inject long term concern into the equation. This presents two problems, both our inability to accurately predict the future and people's time preference. That is certainly an area which needs lots of thought. Unfortunately its also an area which is easily used to argue for collectivist measures. I do agree with the point about the Tragedy of the Commons. Its part of my reason for thinking that Kyoto style initiatives are doomed to failure. We need to give people a sense of investment in their environment and the environment at large. The future individuals is an interesting dilemma. Somehow we do need to inject long term concern into the equation. This presents two problems, both our inability to accurately predict the future and people’s time preference. That is certainly an area which needs lots of thought. Unfortunately its also an area which is easily used to argue for collectivist measures.

I do agree with the point about the Tragedy of the Commons. Its part of my reason for thinking that Kyoto style initiatives are doomed to failure. We need to give people a sense of investment in their environment and the environment at large.

]]> By: Duncan Hames http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/08/07/the-liberal-green-challenge/#comment-12423 Duncan Hames Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:24:08 +0000 http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/08/07/the-liberal-green-challenge/#comment-12423 Thanks for this starting point Tristan, for an interesting dilemma. You make this distinction between 'individual' humans and humanity. I was wondering where concern for future individuals - those in subsequent generations - fits in. Would you require your liberal solutions to be concerned about them? How do you ensure their voices are heard, so to speak? Also, I think the Tragedy of the Commoms is a very useful reference. Would you agree that it doesn't just apply to common resources in the conventional sense, but also to depletable common services like nature's 'sinks'? The limited capacity for the earth's atmosphere to regulate surface temperatures whilst absorbing greenhouse gas emissions, seems to me to be a critical example. Thanks for this starting point Tristan, for an interesting dilemma.
You make this distinction between ‘individual’ humans and humanity. I was wondering where concern for future individuals - those in subsequent generations - fits in. Would you require your liberal solutions to be concerned about them? How do you ensure their voices are heard, so to speak?
Also, I think the Tragedy of the Commoms is a very useful reference. Would you agree that it doesn’t just apply to common resources in the conventional sense, but also to depletable common services like nature’s ’sinks’? The limited capacity for the earth’s atmosphere to regulate surface temperatures whilst absorbing greenhouse gas emissions, seems to me to be a critical example.

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