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	<title>Comments on: Pacts with Labour</title>
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	<description>Liberalism and general burblings</description>
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		<title>By: Barrie Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/06/20/pacts-with-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-10408</link>
		<dc:creator>Barrie Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not in favour of any arrangement with either of the two main illiberal parties nationally. Overall, due to a [historical] commitment to a social justice agenda Labour is the lesser evil for me personally.

Further seeing myself as being on the progressive wing of British politics any Westminster deal with the Tories would be a resigning matter for me. I share no common values, principles or aspirations with the Tories !</description>
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<p>Further seeing myself as being on the progressive wing of British politics any Westminster deal with the Tories would be a resigning matter for me. I share no common values, principles or aspirations with the Tories !</p>
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		<title>By: David Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/06/20/pacts-with-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-10405</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did Brown bother asking in advance? He should just have announced his full list of Ministers once he got in, including both a Lib Dem and a Tory in each department, and said that people who didn't want the job were free to resign.

Those approached need to ask themselves what it is about them that Brown found so attractive politically. The Lib Dems also need to ask this about each of them, as well as what the point of their own party is if it is going to pass up offers of Ministerial office, even including at Cabinet level. Everyone needs to ask what the reply from Ashdown, never over-troubled by self-doubt, would have been if Brown had offered to make him Foreign Secretary; also, to consider that, just as Sarkozy gave the Foreign Ministry to Kouchner, the only prominent French Socialist to support the Iraq War, so Brown has tried to bring in Ashdown, a pioneering neocon cheerleader from the Yugoslavia days, and who recently surprised no one by coming out as holding the same views on Iraq.

The Tories need to ask themselves why nobody bothered to do try and do a deal with them (although I suspect that that would have been Phase Two, and might yet be Phase One And Only instead). Labour Party members need to ask themselves why not one of their number - MP, Peer, or able to be raised to the Peerage for the purpose - was deemed capable of doing any of the Ministerial jobs in question, including one at Bevan's NHS. Labour MPs, in particular, need to ask why, at least where these particular positions (and how many more after this?) are concerned, the man whom they gave a clear run for Leader would rather have a Lib Dem Peer than ANY of them.

And we all need to ask ourselves and each other what we are doing to replace this whole sorry lot with proper parties and proper politicians, speaking and acting for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did Brown bother asking in advance? He should just have announced his full list of Ministers once he got in, including both a Lib Dem and a Tory in each department, and said that people who didn&#8217;t want the job were free to resign.</p>
<p>Those approached need to ask themselves what it is about them that Brown found so attractive politically. The Lib Dems also need to ask this about each of them, as well as what the point of their own party is if it is going to pass up offers of Ministerial office, even including at Cabinet level. Everyone needs to ask what the reply from Ashdown, never over-troubled by self-doubt, would have been if Brown had offered to make him Foreign Secretary; also, to consider that, just as Sarkozy gave the Foreign Ministry to Kouchner, the only prominent French Socialist to support the Iraq War, so Brown has tried to bring in Ashdown, a pioneering neocon cheerleader from the Yugoslavia days, and who recently surprised no one by coming out as holding the same views on Iraq.</p>
<p>The Tories need to ask themselves why nobody bothered to do try and do a deal with them (although I suspect that that would have been Phase Two, and might yet be Phase One And Only instead). Labour Party members need to ask themselves why not one of their number - MP, Peer, or able to be raised to the Peerage for the purpose - was deemed capable of doing any of the Ministerial jobs in question, including one at Bevan&#8217;s NHS. Labour MPs, in particular, need to ask why, at least where these particular positions (and how many more after this?) are concerned, the man whom they gave a clear run for Leader would rather have a Lib Dem Peer than ANY of them.</p>
<p>And we all need to ask ourselves and each other what we are doing to replace this whole sorry lot with proper parties and proper politicians, speaking and acting for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Democrat Voice &#187; Brown's failed poachings: the views of the Lib Dem blogs</title>
		<link>http://www.eridu.org.uk/blog/2007/06/20/pacts-with-labour/comment-page-1/#comment-10392</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Democrat Voice &#187; Brown's failed poachings: the views of the Lib Dem blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tristan Mills, Liberty Alone: ‘Pacts with Labour’ [...]</description>
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