The EU: When is it time to give up?

The European Union offers great opportunities to expand liberalism and to liberalise Europe for the benefit of Europeans and the rest of the world. However, the EU appears to be regressing even further into a protectionist talking shop where governments conspire with each other and with business against the citizens of Europe and against the masses in the whole world.

Will the time come to stop feeding the illiberal machinations of some of Europe’s politicians? For some this time has come already, for others the benefits of the EU outweigh the problems. Estonia, one of the world’s most liberal nations obviously thinks that it is best to be within the EU, even though it meant imposing tariffs and contributing to the obscene Common Agricultural Policy, many British liberals are staunchly opposed to Britain’s membership and advocate withdrawal a

Part of the UK’s problem with the EU derives from the problems we have with our system of government. The legislature fails to hold the executive to account. In the European context it fails to monitor what the government’s representatives in Brussels agrees to. The EU should be a great opportunity, but we haven’t used it as such, unless you count its use as a scape-goat for British politicians to blame things on.

Is the EU and the UK’s relationship to it beyond repair? If not, how can we fix it? When will things have gone too far for liberals to support the EU?

If Liberal Democrats are to continue to support the EU we need to answer these questions. We need to provide solid reasons for British membership of the EU whilst pointing out the many flaws and solutions to those problems.

There are some signs of hope. Many of the new entry countries are more liberal, or at least less statist than old Europe. With (a lot) of luck, Sarkozy will provide the start of a road to a more liberal future for France (although it seems unlikely they’ll rediscover Batistat). Barroso has started talking in a more liberal manner as well. There are voices in the EU establishment talking about things liberally, notably Charlie McCreevy the commissioner from Ireland.

Will this be enough? I don’t know. I’m not convinced either way, and I’m instinctively an internationalist and support international institutions where they have further liberal policy.


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8 Responses to “The EU: When is it time to give up?”

  1. I’ve never understood the LibDem attachment to internationalism. Where the word refers to a legislative body like the EU it seems to be diametrically opposed to the party’s espousal of localism. And if it only means non-legislative bodies like the UN, who cares anyway?

    I think the UK’s relationship with the EU is broken beyond repair. The status quo, with no executive control over the bureaucracy, is unsustainable. The two plausible solutions are an elected executive and the breakup of the EU. The debacle over the EU constitution has been tried and found to be unacceptable to many peoples. Ergo, the EU needs to be wound up and closed.

  2. Good post, Tristan.

    I think the Lib Dems need to press for reform of the EU much more strongly. Otherwise we’re going to end up defending an illiberal institution our of a sense of congnitive dissonance.

    (You might want to edit the 2nd paragraph, though. It’s gone a bit awry)

    Bishop,

    Internationalism is fine as long as one applies subsidiarity. Of course, the EU treats subsidiarity with contempt, but if we can strengthen the subsidiarity clauses we may be onto something.

    Final analysis: let’s remember why we’re in the EU and defend THAT, rather than adopting a “my Union, right or wrong” approach.

  3. There are many advantages to the EU- from being much better able to take a seat on the world stage than its individual members, the free markets (especially with Eastern Europe) and creating a shared value for human rights and other liberal values.
    It is also vital to note that one reason why the Balkans is so peaceful now is that all the countries in the region are desperate to join the EU- and what price that?
    On the other hand, ridiculous protectionism, bureaucracy and a lack of accountability leave me uncertain of where to stand.
    I think its obvious that it needs great reforms- but there is basically no chance of tha that happening. I think it is of net benefit despite that, however.

  4. Tom

    The question Tristan asks is when should we give up on it. If we press and press and press for reform but the EU just goes on and on and on becoming more and more illiberal, what would make you say “No more”?

    Free speech?

  5. John Smith Says:

    Bishop – “The UK” is probably the worst possible level to do most stuff at. Local services can be delivered more effectively by local councils who understand the conditions on the ground. The EU, and other supranational bodies are the only ways we can get a handle on international issues, like climate change and counter terrorism. ‘Westminster’ is too far removed from people, and doesn’t cover enough to be actually very good or useful for… well, anything. That’s my Lib Dem defence for simultaneous localism and internationalism, at least.

  6. John

    I agree about the role of the UK, actually. I was on the receiving end of a tirade of abuse from readers of the blog of the Campaign for an English Parliament when I suggested that there was actually very little role for it since defence would sit well at UK level and everything else should be devolved down to county level or even further.

    If you set up a supranational body to cover issues like climate change eventually everything (and I mean everything) will fall within its remit. Analagous to the expansion of the US Federal government, the centre will force the courts to adopt wider and wider interpretations of the law so as to remove power from the periphery and the individual(see FDR’s court packing scheme).

    Say you allow only climate change to become a EU competence. Pretty soon anything which used energy would become an EU competence too. If you think I’m exaggerating, ask yourself how someone can be imprisoned by the Federal government for the crime growing cannabis for their own use – a law which is admitted as constitutional as being a regulation of interstate commerce.

    If you give a central government an inch they will take a mile.

    I think you should ask yourself if it would be better to deal with these issues by way of voluntary cooperation. That’s the liberal way.

  7. This may interest supporters of the EU.

  8. Заметил такую тенденцию, что в блогах появилось много не адекватных комментариев, не могу понять, это что кто то спамит так? А зачем, чтоб падлу комуто сделать))) Имхо глупо…

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